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		<title>by: patrick</title>
		<link>http://theunreliablenarrator.net/2008/07/12/friday-refrains-%c2%b7-aliki-barnstone/#comment-34338</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh, and by all means we should get together...maybe we can all go out for sushi ;o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and by all means we should get together&#8230;maybe we can all go out for sushi ;o)
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		<title>by: patrick</title>
		<link>http://theunreliablenarrator.net/2008/07/12/friday-refrains-%c2%b7-aliki-barnstone/#comment-34337</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>No wonder you know suffering so intimately, you're FROM Texas, where far from pure, the fish still float on the water....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No wonder you know suffering so intimately, you&#8217;re FROM Texas, where far from pure, the fish still float on the water&#8230;.
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		<title>by: unnarrator</title>
		<link>http://theunreliablenarrator.net/2008/07/12/friday-refrains-%c2%b7-aliki-barnstone/#comment-34328</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ah, Señor Neruda! There's the Vegetable Root Sutra too: &quot;Water that is too pure has no fish.&quot;

D'accord, not only have I not personally visited &quot;enlightenment&quot; (which always makes me think of my German-speaking priest friend who would ask us to &quot;disenlighten the candles&quot;) but I don't even &lt;em&gt;know&lt;/em&gt; anyone who's managed anything even remotely &lt;em&gt;close&lt;/em&gt; to being rid of impure thoughts, even during a half-hour period of zazen.

I do know a couple of people who've been completely, unexpectedly transformed—had the experience Zen calls &quot;kensho.&quot; It seems to take a while before they can head back down to the village (cf. Ten Oxherding Pictures), but when they do their relationship to everyone and everything has changed. From the outside, it doesn't seem like they &lt;em&gt;embrace&lt;/em&gt; suffering, exactly, but that, in the words of Ms. Byron Katie, they become lovers of reality.

And then there's the wise AA practice of acting-as-if, useful for those of us just muddling along the best we can.

Hey, next time I'm visiting my loony parents in Texas, we should all (you me &amp; Ms. Jenzai—not my parents) get together!!!!!!!!!! &lt;--excessive enthusiastic exclams</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Señor Neruda! There&#8217;s the Vegetable Root Sutra too: &#8220;Water that is too pure has no fish.&#8221;</p>
<p>D&#8217;accord, not only have I not personally visited &#8220;enlightenment&#8221; (which always makes me think of my German-speaking priest friend who would ask us to &#8220;disenlighten the candles&#8221;) but I don&#8217;t even <em>know</em> anyone who&#8217;s managed anything even remotely <em>close</em> to being rid of impure thoughts, even during a half-hour period of zazen.</p>
<p>I do know a couple of people who&#8217;ve been completely, unexpectedly transformed—had the experience Zen calls &#8220;kensho.&#8221; It seems to take a while before they can head back down to the village (cf. Ten Oxherding Pictures), but when they do their relationship to everyone and everything has changed. From the outside, it doesn&#8217;t seem like they <em>embrace</em> suffering, exactly, but that, in the words of Ms. Byron Katie, they become lovers of reality.</p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s the wise AA practice of acting-as-if, useful for those of us just muddling along the best we can.</p>
<p>Hey, next time I&#8217;m visiting my loony parents in Texas, we should all (you me &#038; Ms. Jenzai—not my parents) get together!!!!!!!!!! <&#8211;excessive enthusiastic exclams
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		<title>by: patrick</title>
		<link>http://theunreliablenarrator.net/2008/07/12/friday-refrains-%c2%b7-aliki-barnstone/#comment-34322</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree and will express my sympathy...in a poem.

Tú
eres
tu presente,
tu manzana:
tómala
de tu árbol,
levántala
en tu
mano,
brilla
como una estrella,
tócala,
híncale el diente y ándate
silbando en el camino.

—Pablo Neruda, &quot;Oda al presente&quot;

I like this image by Neruda that being in the present means you are the tree and the apple, and the hand. If we condition ourselves (i.e. through meditation) to rid ourselves of impure thoughts, this conditioning is an antecedent cause, and not permanent, hence we will return to ordinary levels of consciousness. Enlightenment (I suppose, not having been there) involves embracing the impure and the suffering of life. &quot;Sink your teeth into it, and go whistling on your way.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree and will express my sympathy&#8230;in a poem.</p>
<p>Tú<br />
eres<br />
tu presente,<br />
tu manzana:<br />
tómala<br />
de tu árbol,<br />
levántala<br />
en tu<br />
mano,<br />
brilla<br />
como una estrella,<br />
tócala,<br />
híncale el diente y ándate<br />
silbando en el camino.</p>
<p>—Pablo Neruda, &#8220;Oda al presente&#8221;</p>
<p>I like this image by Neruda that being in the present means you are the tree and the apple, and the hand. If we condition ourselves (i.e. through meditation) to rid ourselves of impure thoughts, this conditioning is an antecedent cause, and not permanent, hence we will return to ordinary levels of consciousness. Enlightenment (I suppose, not having been there) involves embracing the impure and the suffering of life. &#8220;Sink your teeth into it, and go whistling on your way.&#8221;
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		<title>by: unnarrator</title>
		<link>http://theunreliablenarrator.net/2008/07/12/friday-refrains-%c2%b7-aliki-barnstone/#comment-34280</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm glad you like it; of course I'm all about the impure rebirth. ;o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you like it; of course I&#8217;m all about the impure rebirth. ;o)
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		<title>by: unnarrator</title>
		<link>http://theunreliablenarrator.net/2008/07/12/friday-refrains-%c2%b7-aliki-barnstone/#comment-34278</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Brava for delurking! &lt;em&gt;Sky Burial: An Anthology of Poems That Should Be Merely Disgusting But Are Somehow Nonetheless and/or Therefore Lovely&lt;/em&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brava for delurking! <em>Sky Burial: An Anthology of Poems That Should Be Merely Disgusting But Are Somehow Nonetheless and/or Therefore Lovely</em>?
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		<title>by: patrick</title>
		<link>http://theunreliablenarrator.net/2008/07/12/friday-refrains-%c2%b7-aliki-barnstone/#comment-34268</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I love the simplicity of this description, and the elegance. It reminds me of: &quot;Those who lack discrimination, whose minds are unsteady and whose hearts are impure, never reach the goal, but are born again and again. But he who has discrimination, whose mind is steady and whose heart is pure, reaches the goal, and having reached it is born no more.&quot; —Katha Upanishad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the simplicity of this description, and the elegance. It reminds me of: &#8220;Those who lack discrimination, whose minds are unsteady and whose hearts are impure, never reach the goal, but are born again and again. But he who has discrimination, whose mind is steady and whose heart is pure, reaches the goal, and having reached it is born no more.&#8221; —Katha Upanishad
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		<title>by: d</title>
		<link>http://theunreliablenarrator.net/2008/07/12/friday-refrains-%c2%b7-aliki-barnstone/#comment-34247</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hey, thanks for this (I've got a sky burial poem myself. There's probably enough sky burial poems out there for an anthology) (love that sky burial!). And your comment on &quot;almond-shaped wound.&quot; I feel like I've been &quot;sneaking&quot; looks at your blog. No more sneaking! I read it and enjoy it.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, thanks for this (I&#8217;ve got a sky burial poem myself. There&#8217;s probably enough sky burial poems out there for an anthology) (love that sky burial!). And your comment on &#8220;almond-shaped wound.&#8221; I feel like I&#8217;ve been &#8220;sneaking&#8221; looks at your blog. No more sneaking! I read it and enjoy it.</p>
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